At the same time the tools and resources have advanced so much as to make the original hardware/layout rules/netlists obsolete for purposes of PGA's IMHO. Literally a engineer with a laptop can do in a weekend what used to take a couple of months of at least 2 people. The intellectual property would be in the code that that Freddy and others created as true CBM byproduct, again IMHO. Sarnoff did REALLY cool stuff and were heavy users of the most expensive Altera's stuff back in the early 90's when I was still doing HW. Not only the HD stuff but things like superimposed billboards on sports games and even some of the subchroma pll's of the day I first saw were from SL notes. Also ended up with some of our good guys like Lengthe and Klautter. I asked an Altera guy who bought the $500 chips and he said SL by the stickload and I pretty much envisioned a board of just raw gateage... your description below p[puts flesh to that vision. Bil -----Original Message----- From: owner-cbm-hackers@musoftware.de [mailto:owner-cbm-hackers@musoftware.de] On Behalf Of Justin Sent: Thursday, April 22, 2010 6:51 PM To: cbm-hackers@musoftware.de Subject: Re: Commodore 65 I'm surprised that CAD drawings for the ASICs and whatnot didn't escape along with the death of Commodore. It seems to me they might be just late enough in the game that a series of imports through successive versions of the design software would get you to the point where you could just push it onto an FPGA. I used to program on a massively parallel system designed to do that kind of thing (the Sarnoff Labs "Princeton Engine" used 1024 processors in a SIMD configuration to emulate a DSP). You would design your DSP and then push it over onto the PE and run signals through it to see if it did what it was supposed to, so you could do rapid prototyping of DSPs before going to silicon. On Apr 22, 2010, at 17:27 , Bil Herd wrote: > Very fitting, the C65 is from the days when CBM resorted to cannibalism internally. > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-cbm-hackers@musoftware.de [mailto:owner-cbm-hackers@musoftware.de] On Behalf Of carlopastor@libero.it > Sent: Thursday, April 22, 2010 3:43 PM > To: cbm-hackers@musoftware.de > Subject: R: RE: Commodore 65 > > Guys, > > thanks for replies... cannibalism of course but who has C65 board to take > pieces? :) > > all the best > > Carlo > >> ----Messaggio originale---- >> Da: bherd@idsbusiness.com >> Data: 19/04/2010 22.31 >> A: "cbm-hackers@musoftware.de"<cbm-hackers@musoftware.de>, "cbm-hackers@ling. > gu.se"<cbm-hackers@ling.gu.se> >> Ogg: RE: Commodore 65 >> >> Were C65 chips ever available outside of a few units from the CBM Labs? > Where do people get spares like VIC these days? >> Bil >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: owner-cbm-hackers@musoftware.de [mailto:owner-cbm-hackers@musoftware. > de] On Behalf Of carlopastor@libero.it >> Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2010 5:41 AM >> To: cbm-hackers@musoftware.de; cbm-hackers@ling.gu.se >> Subject: Commodore 65 >> >> Dear Friends >> >> I am new to the list and I am a fan of Italian old Commodore. Thank you all >> for helping me want to offer. I have a Commodore 65 board missing some > chips. >> Does anyone have spare parts for this machine? thank you very much Carlo >> >> Message was sent through the cbm-hackers mailing list >> >> -- >> This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by IDSi's > MailScanner. >> >> 1ï¿∏,jï¿∏jï¿∏ï¿∏ï¿∏aï¿∏ï¿∏ï¿∏ï¿∏ï¿∏^qï¿∏ï¿∏iï¿∏ï¿∏É˚ï¿∏Xï¿∏ï¿∏Xï¿∏ï¿∏ > > > > Message was sent through the cbm-hackers mailing list > > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by IDSi's MailScanner. > > 1ë,j °jË ı€a®— ∫Ø^q’ÿ∑§$z»&j)bı b Message was sent through the cbm-hackers mailing list -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by IDSi's MailScanner. 1,jj a^qi ɚXXReceived on 2010-04-23 00:00:12
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