Re: 6522 VIA inputs

On Saturday 22 April 2017, 17:12:10 Gerrit Heitsch <gerrit@laosinh.s.bawue.de> 
wrote:
> On 04/22/2017 04:35 PM, groepaz@gmx.net wrote:
> > On Friday 21 April 2017, 21:40:17 silverdr@wfmh.org.pl wrote:
> >>> It's perfectly acceptable to ignore the pull ups and drive 0v/5v.
> >> 
> >> I am not sure if I am not trying to overengineer but what causes my
> >> doubts
> >> is that it's never 0V/5V, and especially never the same between different
> >> families of devices, etc.  While pushing the (pulled-up) line LO is OK
> >> because that's what it is meant to be done, the potential of the sourcing
> >> output and the pulled-up line are almost certainly different so it will
> >> have to cause some (unnecessary / unnecessarily higher) current flow
> >> through the line, possibly adding to consumption, unwanted emissions,
> >> etc.
> >> ... or are all those possible side-effects fully negligible and I am just
> >> too paranoid here? ;-)
> > 
> > driving a NMOS i/o line high is a big nono. just dont. its a common thing
> > to do to connect several outputs together, forming a wired OR - when one
> > of those outputs is driving high, the one trying to pull low will have a
> > hard time doing it. even if it still may work, the signal timing will go
> > poop
> Eh? So far I though NMOS is very good at sinking current to GND, but not
> at supplying current from Vcc. Looking at the datasheet for the 6526
> supports this, the output driver can supply at most 1mA, but can sink
> something in the range of 3mA.
> 
> So if you connect 2 NMOS outputs together, the one pulling the line LOW
> will win. Also, on most NMOS outputs, you cannot disable the 'pullups'
> (see output driver schematic for the 6522).
> 
> What you must not do is using a CMOS output set to HIGH and connect it
> to an NMOS output set to LOW.

thats what i ment with "driving high". a NMOS output does never "drive high", 
it only ever pulls low.

-- 

http://www.hitmen-console.org    http://magicdisk.untergrund.net
http://www.pokefinder.org        http://ar.pokefinder.org

For most girls, talk DXPP, DYPP, Plasma, FLI, and rasterbars - its a real 
winner.



       Message was sent through the cbm-hackers mailing list